Interview
with Marcia Lanzer Nighswander, associate professor at Ohio
University's School
of Visual Communication.
What
is your professional background?
I graduated
from Bowling Green State University
in 1973 with a major in photojournalism. My
foundation classes in photography were taught by Professor
James R. Gordon. He has retired from
teaching at BGSU, but still continues to educate all of us
as the editor of the National
Press Photographer Association's monthly magazine, News Photographer.
Prof. Gordon opened my eyes and mind to the visual world around
me. Bowling Green had only had a few classes in photography,
but they gave me the tools and taught me what it takes to
be a photojournalist.
After
graduation I worked as the only staff photographer for the
Review Times in Fostoria, Ohio. It was a great place to start
a career. We only had one of anything. One sports reporter,
one general assignment reporter, one features writer and one
unisex bathroom. Linda Swaisgood, another recent college grad,
was the features writer. We had a wonderful time coming up
with stories and working together. We maintained that friendship
throughout our careers.
The editor
of the paper was "Doc" Bordner, a retired army sergeant.
The freedom he gave us all to do our jobs made that newspaper a wonderful first job.
After
about a year and a half in Fostoria I moved to The Beacon
Journal in Akron, Ohio. A Knight-Ridder Newspaper where legendary journalist John
S. Knight was a presence in the newsroom.
Bill Hunter, chief photographer, hired me as the first woman
on the staff of about 10 photographers. During my ten year
stint at The Beacon Journal I won the award of Ohio News Photographer
of the Year in the Ohio News Photographers Association's annual
contest. The year was 1977 and I was the first woman to win
the award.
In 1985
my husband, Larry,
and I both accepted jobs at the Cincinnati Post. I was staff
photographer and he was the assistant managing editor for
graphics and my direct supervisor. I think we proved to skeptics
that husbands and wives can work together on the same staff.
Marcy Nighswander
Three
years later Larry accepted a job offer with the National
Geographic Society and against my better judgment we moved to Washington, D.C. I had never wanted to
move to a city, but I have learned that sometimes you might resist the directions your life takes
you. It all works out better than you could imagine.
Soon
after arriving in Washington I was hired by the Associated
Press as a staff photographer. I worked at AP with industry legends. Toby Massey was my first
boss followed by Bob Daugherty, who is now the director of AP's State Photo Center. I learned
how to shoot news from AP photographers that Toby called, "The best of the best."
As I
look back over my 22 years as a staff photographer at various
publications, I was always the only woman. All the men were supportive coworkers, but I wonder
what the workplace would have been like with more diversity.
Since
1995 Larry and I are again working together again at Ohio
University. He replaced Chuck Scott as Director of the School
of Visual Communication. I was hired as an associate professor
placing Ed Pieratt. Did you always want to be a photojournalist?
I grew
up in Hamler,
Ohio, a village of about 500 residents. In 1969 when I
graduated from high school, my options were to be either a
secretary, nurse or teacher. These were the only jobs readily
open to women. I knew I didn't want to be a teacher. My sister,
Lynette, was going to be a nurse. She would make a better
nurse than I ever could. My mom was a secretary so that sounded
like a possibility. She always encouraged my sister and I
to do whatever we wanted in life. My dad showed me by example
to try to do everything to perfection. My maternal grandfather
always told us to go build bridges. I didn't end up building
bridges, but I think he would have been happy with the career
I chose.
Bowling
Green State University had a secretarial program. My second
quarter I got a C in shorthand. The grade wasn't because I didn't know shorthand, but because
the professor had a rule that the girls he taught had to wear
skirts to class. I wore a skirt that was like baggy shorts
and I thought he wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't a traditional skirt. I was wrong.
He lowered my B to a C. I guess in hindsight I should thank
him. I searched through the university catalog looking for
something more interesting to study. I found photojournalism. It sounded like fun and it
certainly has been. I changed my major and my life.
I asked
my parents years later what they thought when I changed my
major. My mom said she had wondered what I would be doing to make a living. The good
thing is she never asked me because at that point I really didn't have any idea about the different
directions and locations photojournalism would take me.
How different is it being in the classroom compared to the
newsroom?
It is
very different. At Associated Press I was surrounded by some
of the best photographers and reporters in the business. My work took me to places including
The White House, Capital Hill, the State Department to Europe, Asia and South America. On assignments
around the world I met, worked and competed with some very talented photographers. I spent very
little time in the newsroom.
When
we decided to move to Ohio University to teach I knew it would be a change, but I didn't know how much of a change it would be. I had never had a job where I was in one place all day. I got claustrophobia. I had to go for walks around town to see some different scenery. Once I realized the problem I dealt with it, but it took quite a while to get used to a more sedentary lifestyle.
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Classrooms
are full of young people. Some don't even know how to load
a camera. It was a challenge to go back to basics and try to remember what it was like
not to know anything about photography. I had to learn how
to verbalize the process of picture taking, putting into words
what makes a good picture. For years when I was with other
photographers and we saw an outstanding picture we would have
a shorthand way of talking and just KNEW the picture was special.
Now I am constantly refining my ability to explain a subjective
process.
What advice do you give young women coming into the field
of photography?
It
is the same advice I would give to anyone considering photojournalism
as a career. It is very important to get a good foundation
in photojournalism. Attending a good photojournalism program
makes the process easier. Can you have a career without a
degree in photography? Sure, but it will probably take you
longer to get where you want to go without the specialized
curriculum.
Most
importantly marry someone that understands your love of the
profession. They might not share the
profession but they shouldn't be threatened or jealous of
the time it takes and the variety of experiences you will
have as a journalist. I have seen so many marriages fail because
newspaper photography is not a 9-5 job. Larry and I celebrated
our silver anniversary this year. I remember when my parents
had their 25th anniversary and I thought they were old. I
guess we are too.
We regularly
comment to each other what wonderful lives we have had together.
He has always been
supportive of whatever time or money it takes to do whatever
I want to do and I support him. It's been
fun. I remember at one time we were considering buying a rug
for the house and both of us said, "Well, $20.00 is a
lot for a rug. Let's think about it." The next sentence
was, "I want to buy a new $1,000
lens." Both of us immediately thought that was a very
good purchase. We had our priorities straight!
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Drop Marcy a line at Marcia.Nighswander@ohio.edu
Do you consider yourself a mentor? teacher? photojournalist?
all of the above?
In some way we are all mentors and teachers besides being
photojournalists. How many times have photographers helped
each other on assignments? Given feedback on their work? Helped
a friend get a job? Acted as counselor? One of the things
I like about the profession is whenever I meet another professional
photographer we were automatically friends because of all
the things we have in common. I confess I still have a hard
time writing educator in the profession line of forms because
I still think of myself as a photographer. Maybe I'll just
return to writing photographer.
What was you favorite assignment with the Associated Press?
There were so many over the seven years I worked in Washington
it is hard to choose. Many days I
would pause and say to myself, "I can't believe they
are paying me to do this." It was just so much fun,
but that certainly wasn't the case every day! In general it
is really a rush to photograph the president of the United
States. I traveled all over the world and someone else paid
the bills and the overtime. It was physically hard work, but
the experience was amazing.
The most
physically challenging assignment was a trip to the Middle
East for the peace signing in the desert between Jordan and
Israel. It was something like six countries in four days.
We traveled with President Clinton from Washington to Egypt,
Israel, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. These were
20-24 hour workdays. That left little or no time to sleep.
Regardless of the sleep deprivation we all commented what
a great experience it was because of the interesting countries
we visited.
I shot my favorite picture at the presidential debate in Richmond
Virginia. It has all three candidates, Bush, Clinton and Perot
talking at the same time. It reinforces the chaos that surrounds
a political campaign. The photo was part of the AP's Pulitzer
Prize for Feature Photography in 1993. I think it ran in USA
Today recently. A student in my class asked if he could get
extra credit if he had seen the picture published this summer.
I said sure I would give him an A.
Marcy Nighswander/ copyright AP
Do you miss the high pace of DC?
We
have been in Athens for five years. When we go back to DC
it is fun to be in the city again, but I don't miss the traffic
and the stressful environment. In Athens Larry and I had to
get used to people we didn't know waving at us. Someone would
drive by and wave and we would look at each other and say,
"Do you know that guy?" We finally got used to that
and wave at everyone too. Every once in a while when there
is a big story in DC, I get a little jealous that I'm not
there. Or I might see people I used to work with in the "well"
in a hearing room and I miss the action. But, I know teaching
was the right decision at the right time in our lives. It
is good I miss shooting because if I didn't I might not be
an enthusiastic about the profession when I teach. When I
meet people who want to teach because they are professionally
frustrated I really don't understand their motivation. I wouldn't
want someone teaching students that didn't have the same excitement
about photography as the students do.
Are
you seeing more influence of women in our field?
Definitely.
More women are rising through the ranks at publications and
taking charge of photo
departments. More than half the students in VisCom are women.
I think that has changed steadily over the years.
Where
do you see newspaper photography heading?
Newspaper's
usage of photography has improved so much over the years.
When I started in the profession photographers could count
on one hand the newspapers that respected photography and
saw it as an important way to communicate information. Picture
pages were rare and feature stories where the photographer
and reporter worked to put a package together were even rarer.
I judged
the National Press Photographers Association/University of
Missouri Pictures of
the Year Picture Editing categories last year. I was surprised
at the number of story and picture packages that were shot
during the year. It was very impressive but I still see room
for improvement. I saw newspapers move from the traditional
picture page to presentation of words and pictures working
together to tell the story.
The bigger
question is whether newspapers will be around in 20 years.
Maybe not. The best publication of pictures might be on the
Web. Publishing is changing rapidly. It is important photographers
embrace the new technology and become a part of the group
of people that decide how their work is going to be used and
displayed in the future.
What advice would you give someone who wants to shoot for
the wires?
Be sure the photographer understands the lows can be
pretty low, but the highs are as rewarding as the profession
can get. They may be standing on a sidewalk for hours waiting
to photograph someone and in one split second they get a picture
that is run on the front of newspapers around the world. It
was always exhilarating to see newspapers on a newsstand with
only the picture I shot as the lead. AP and other wire services
are making more room for essays and picture projects. I know
AP has been for years. Digital technology makes the quick
transmission of pictures much easier to get.
How important is an education in photojournalism in the
newspaper field today?
Most newspapers require a college degree. I hope it is
important or I'm wasting my time teaching. After teaching
for five years it is rewarding to hear from graduates. I get
notes, and email, from former students telling me of their
latest projects and thanking the VisCom faculty for their
education. I guess I am making a difference in their lives.
What would you still like to do with your career?
I never would have imagined I would travel and do what
I have done in my life. Seeing the things I have seen and
photographing the history I have witnessed.
Life
has it's twists and turns and they all seem to be for the
better. I have never planned a certain path this far so I'll
just see what opportunities might come up.
Marcy Nighswander
Photography is multifaceted field and I am still learning.
I have a Holga,
a simple plastic camera that shoots 120 film. I am using it
to photograph Washington, DC and the road by our house. That
has been challenging and fun because it forced me back into
the darkroom. A Nikon Coolpix 950 and an article enticed me
to explore using the digital camera to take infrared pictures.
I have an Epson 2000P printer. So while I still cherish working
in the darkroom I am also exploring the range of new technology.
Larry and I travel to a National Park or two each summer to
take landscape pictures. After doing this for several years
we are starting the get a pretty good collection.
So, I
guess I am bouncing back and forth between old and new technology,
but no matter what the
means of delivery it is still thrill to have a life that continues
to focus on photography.
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